In entries of sport events or membership lists of international organisations on Wikipedia and elsewhere it is the common rule to list these countries alongside sovereign states. This way of presentation, though just coincidental, may appear to be "more logical, neutral and understandable" to you but this is unlikely the established practice on Wikipedia and many other sources elsewhere. Robynthehode ( talk) 16:01, 1 December 2021 (UTC) By doing so you are coincidentally sharing the same position with Beijing, which go so far to have fined foreign MNCs for showing what they called "non-countries" alongside "countries" according to their definition. It is more logical, neutral and understandable for a lay reader to only have national flags included. There are many special status sub-national (non-sovereign state) entities across the world. No other sub-national flags are used so neither Hong Kong nor Macau should be used. I am neither and have repeatedly changed flags to China. Accusations about being Chinese or being pro-Chinese are irrelevant. 219.76.24.219 ( talk) 11:54, 1 December 2021 (UTC) This is controversial as the debate and article edits have been going on for years. PianoDan ( talk) 03:02, 1 December 2021 (UTC) If even these couldn't be detected then may I know what you would expect? This isn't something controversial at all except among some Chinese or pro-Chinese editors. Absent that, an edit request is not the appropriate format for this change, as it is not likely to be uncontroversial. Having read carefully through all the linked threads, I can detect nothing even vaguely resembling a consensus. Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. PianoDan ( talk) 20:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC) To replace China to Hong Kong or Macau for Hong Kong and Macau entries. Not only is it not clear what you want changed, but the only thing the links appear to make clear is that there ISN'T a clear consensus. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please fix the list according to the established consensus all along unless there is new consensus here superseding the existing, and repeated, conclusion. "Hong Kong, China" /Archive 5#Hong Kong and Macau, /Archive 5#Semi-protected edit request on 1 February 2020 and /Archive 2#Hong Kong, China. This is a follow-up to /Archive 4#Content dispute on "Hong Kong" vs. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request.
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